Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. Tracy, I never said she was in the car. Downs wanted to get rid of the kids because her new boyfriend didn't want . I found your blog to be very well written, informative and interesting. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. It was the story of Diane Downs. We had a thoughtful jury that examined the evidence over four days. And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. Steve made some piss poor choices when he had visitation with the kids after the shooting; he permitted them to go off alone with Dianne, when she was not supposed to have had any contact at all with the children. CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? This video of Jagger absolutely looks like the photo that you find on search engines for Fred Hugi. One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? $20.00 at Gamestop $37.01 at Walmart $59.99 at Best Buy. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. 1. When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. Wasnt he the stranger? Just state that at the beginning of the blog. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. The old toilet block which could be replaced by a cafe (Image: Adam Postans) A new caf planned for the Downs in Bristol would likely be blocked by a 160-year-old Victorian law . The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. I think u need to read the facts. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. It was not the right gun. How ironic. Lori, I luv how you ended your comment Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. Surprisingly, Fred Hugi actually looks quite different. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. What they did to her daughter is unconscionable. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Most read in News They brought cakes and cookies and became friends so they were not going to fight over this. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. Q. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. Because she had driven that area for years for her work. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. BUT the babies were put in Foster Care before any allegations were made Family has defended and backed Diane for her Innocence clearly from day one The state took them away from all family because family was and is the enemy Mr. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. 6. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. She did it. . You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. She had not fired a gun. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. In reply to Kit You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. Yes, isnt it shocking that some people would voice that a faulty investigation does not matter? Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. Their marriage was described as tumultuous, with Downs allegedly disappearing for long periods of time with her children. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted Weve become friends. I did not shoot my children.. During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; I especially loved reading everyones comments. I am just curious. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. Steve Howey and Sarah Shahi both grew up in the Lone Star state but their romance didn't begin until they were both acting in Los Angeles. I simply state facts that did not or would not come out at the time or blatant misconduct from a legal system that is supposed to be based on innocent until proven guilty. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. Christie was it though. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. It means you dont orphan the kids. They lied about the ballistics. Lets not take that lightly. Considering that the daughter she murdered will never get a second chance, it will never be long enough unless its for her entire life. The detectives and the state failed to act properly and it should not be an accepted practice. Brewer changed his mind. No. Right?? It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. They did not want reunification to keep their verdict intact. But saying that you are not very smart is useless. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. One of the jurors finally declared. What was the rationale behind this? But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. It was faulty. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. Q. and so on. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. Basically, I dont believe the site owner has produced enough proof of anything. They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). but I think there are some extreme cases that knock women in a bad psychotic way that can be life threatening. Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. Not hard to go there. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. It does not get any bigger than this. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. Our laws are not written that way. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? She'd also shot herself in the forearm. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. The woman shot her children. And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever. It was pitch black outside. By many accounts, her children adored her. Did she act like a average person? Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? Without her daughters testimony and the lies about the gun, they could not have found her guilty in a fair trial. Was that Annes fault as well? Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. But Diane couldnt do that. Makes major decisions easier because only one parent is legally responsible. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. 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